Darkness & Magick

depends what you mean by dark magick...like cursing people?

Being very new to all of this, could someone define Dark Majick and Darkness please? It would be much appreciated.

Personally I belive dark magic to be that which has the intention of deliberatly causing pain or distress to another.

Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't mean to interupt the thread. I'll shuffle away onto the sidelines again now.

I don't have any valid opinions though Agares.

OK, here's a question. Magik used in defence is not Dark (is it?) but what if the attacks on the person being rtected are so persistent and terrible that the defensive response would need to be strong enough to counter it and therefore potentially cause real harm to the attacker? This would still be defensive but would it have crossed the line over to the Dark side then?

To be honest, i cant really say what i think is dark magick and white magick...if even such a thing exists.....i believe all magick is neutral, its raw power. Its what u do with it that defines what it is.

I guess.....anything that is deliberate harm of anyother....but then, i believe that sometimes it cant be helped. I'm not sure. In urself, you know what is right and wrong, and different people have different values....hmmm...tough question.

EDIT from Aoife: Sacha! You have been warned about the text speak - Yourself not urself - lol (Tomi started it - don't look at me like that)

I don't think that there is such a thing as "Dark Magick" as such as Magick is neutral

There is that old adage - "those who cannot curse, cannot heal" I guess the ability to do something doesn't mean you have to choose it. I personally think that there are dark sources of power, so magic may be unfathomable, but isn't necessarily neutral. It is hard to access pure power from a pure higher source and some practitioners think a lot of soul- refing and watching one's own intent needs to happen before magic can be practised. It is amazing how many spells backfire on people in some way or other! That saying -"be careful what you wish for" springs to mind again!!!!! I like the story of the witches in The New Forest practising defensive magic during the Second World War - i guess their magic couldn't be called neutral.
I think the dark sides of ourselves exercise enormous power over us - "Where there's fear, there's power" (another witchy saying), and my view is that one of the witch/druid/magical practitioner's soul goals is the alchemical transformation of this - to access healing and inspiration for ourselves and others...
(Note to self....has this ramble gone off topic???????!!!!!!!Sorry if it has! )

Personally, I don't think there's "black magic/k" or "white magic/k" just magick and how you intend it, really. "those who cannot curse, cannot heal" - really like that idea, suppose you have to know about both.


That thing about the witches in WW2 is really interesting, are there any books about it?

What is this thing about witches in WW2 i tried looking it up but couldnt find anything, can someone fill me in pwease? xxx

Magic is a force, just like electricity is, to me. Therefore it is neither 'white' nor 'black'. It is intent that counts in magic. A working done with malice, hate, that would be a dark working.

I have cursed. A firnds wife was being stalked via the internet and in real life. It had been going on for over 4 years. I raised a Nidstang (a runic curse pole) to drive him away from her. It raised the spirits of the land (called landvaettir) against him - they would give him no peace while he continued his stalking of her, and also drive him from this land - not just from the physical land though, from the internet as well. About 6 months later the attacks against her via the net had stopped and he hasn't been heard from for a few years now.

I deliberately set out to curse him, and did so. But was it dark? Not to me. It was a self-limiting curse, only active while he pursued his vendetta against my friend. It was an attack on him in defence of my friend and his wife who had suffered greatly due to this. Would I do it again? In a heartbeat, if the circumstances required it.

The Rede doesn't really concern me - I'm not Wiccan. What does concern me is living up to my own code of honour and ethics, which are based on Heathen principles rather than Wiccan ones

OK, the first thing to make absolutely and crystal clear is that mo matter if it's dark, light, white, black or turquoise with pink spots magic is not spelled with a K. Alistair Crowley may have used this spelling but he just did it to sound grandiose, it does not mean he was correct and nowadays it is only used by individuals trying to be equally grandiose or those who simply don't know better.

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Like the last lines of the Wiccan Rede:

You are getting things mixed up Loggy boy The Threefold Rule is not a part of the Rede but is a single line of which there are several versions but basically all read

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I don't think that there is such a thing as "Dark Magick" as such as Magick is neutral

Absolutely - It is how magic is used that matters

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7 covens wasn't it in the end? Practising against the Germans?

I am not sure where you do your reading Loggy Boy but I suggest you look elsewhere. What you are referring to here is the so called "Cone of Power" that was raised by Gerald Gardner and other members of the New Forest coven in order to assist the defeat of Hitler. As the coven like the Cone is part of Wicca mythology and did not actually exist it is highly unlikely that anybody died as a result of it.

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of course, this could all by myth, or not!

Well done, you are not prepared to accept everything at face value - a valuable trait in understanding the history of Witchcraft

Well I like using the K and I hate Crowley so meh, I just think it looks better!